I just didn’t want people who don’t know me to mistake that in my character or attitude.
Understandable but that would be their mistake, not yours.
@Taz, accept that HTB has become an important milestone in Sec careers and is a platform to learn pentesting aka hacking.
I have only very few real life examples to prove my points but I’m sure I’m right - and I still have those few examples. Like that recent OSCP giveaway box. I can do that drunk with both eyes closed now, 8 months ago I didn’t know what gobuster is. Or the OSCP writeups.
I think I am explaining myself badly here.
I 100% agree that HTB (and all the other CTF platforms) are very good places to learn for a cert or improve your professional skill. That is 100% the reason why I am here.
However, that is very different from saying they have to be here. If you are studying for OSCP, for example, you can use the Offensive Security Labs, VulnHub, TryHackMe etc., or any of countless other resources on the internet. Even finding links to them here doesn’t mean you have to be here.
By professional obligations, I mean that they have to be here, not that this is your chosen path to learn practical offensive security techniques. IMHO this is a really bad take and implies a business manager too lazy to develop their own staff and too cheap to pay for HTB to build a cyber range for their business.
As you can imagine I constantly encourage people to try this platform out, but it has to be fun for them. If they dont enjoy it, forcing them to churn through boxes is really, really bad management.
I know some amazing pentesters who deliver superb client-facing work, but struggle to get anywhere on the boxes here. I can do very well on boxes here but I am most certainly not a pentester. Saying to staff “You have to drop 1 box on HTB every week” is insane and pretty much the reason why people spend money to buy write ups.
And there’s another overlooked problem. Even though you kinda claim between the lines, if I’m not having fun with these BF boxes it’s my own problem and I should go away
That is a genuine misunderstanding. It is not what I am trying to claim.
I used the example of why I took a “break” in 2019 to show it happens to others and everyone has their own approach to deal with it.
The reality is the time involved in creating/approving boxes means that even if HTB listened to you right now and changed everything, it would be 3 - 4 months before different types of boxes made it through.
You have a choice here. Remain or take a break. Only you can decide which is the most tolerable. There is no value judgement on which you choose. It is entirely your life.
My point might be better stated as no matter what you do, there will be periods when the boxes here suck for you and change won’t happen quickly. If that means the site isn’t fun for you, then taking a break while it changes might be the better option, rather than doing something which isn’t fun and you aren’t being paid for.
There was no intention to attribute blame, responsibility etc.
(I disagree, fun is the responsibility of the vendor. Welcome to the world of gaming. And I’m not going anywhere.) - BF stops people from learning.
I agree and I agreed with Opt1kz in the previous thread.
I kind of understand why we go through periods of CTFy boxes but it doesn’t make it any better for people.
Whenever a BF box is up, writeups come flying by, people trade nudges like cigarettes after lunch, nobody seems to think for themselves anymore, and that is totally understandable. You don’t know where the BF / trolling stops and then don’t want to play anymore.
I agree with one caveat. People ask for nudges on every box, and I am kind of ok with that. Learning is learning, whatever the source.
This is like when I play a game with my kid and he starts making up his own rules “For this round you’re only allowed to move if I’m already richer than you”.
I know the feeling well and when I was a kid, this would often happen in games with other kids. When it did, sometimes the only solution was to stop playing until they agreed to make it fair again. This doesn’t mean its my fault the game was unfair, it meant it was no longer something I enjoyed enough to continue. Do you see the difference from your assumption I meant it was your problem?
I think, and I know I’m gonna get a lot of hate for this, BF boxes and the now unfair ranking feed the egos of a chosen few pretty well.
I dont think you should get hate for this, its a reasonable opinion to have.
For me, someone starting today has a significantly higher bar to reach $rank than I did when I started two years ago.
But this also hints at where the problem lies. The Rank/Score etc is just a game. Lots of people are taking it much too seriously when in reality all it reflects is your progress in this game. If someone thinks that being $rank on HTB reflects anything in the real world they are, simply, wrong.